January 27, 2014
Bangalore, India
Gurudev, what is stronger, mind, body or soul? How can I use these
three in a good way?
Sri Sri: The soul has its own strength, the mind has its own strength and
the body has its own position. Everything has its own strength. Keep the three
balanced in their own respect.
Just today, there was a youth who hadn't eaten since morning and was sitting
here, thinking that Gurudev is meeting so many people, he's so busy, I will not
eat till I meet him. How will it work if you do this? You shouldn't do this.
You should take care of the body the way it has to be taken care of. Do
exercise and eat on time. We are busy with something or the other, I always say
this – you should eat on time. Otherwise it is an extra burden for me, I will
have to take care of this also – whether you have eaten on time or not. Don't
do this, be self sufficient. Eat on time and then engage in your work. Eating
on time, exercising on time, doing sadhana on time – keeping
the body healthy – this is essential.
For
the strengthening of the mind, there is knowledge. Listen to knowledge again
and again.
Being engrossed in our day-to-day duties and work, meeting people, etc., gives
rise to many thoughts in the mind. The mind is troubled. Cravings, aversions,
envy, greed, temptations – many different things bog the mind down. So keeping
the mind clear every single day is important – the way you brush your teeth
once or twice every day, you take a bath every day, in the same way, every day
we must read or listen to some knowledge. Then the mind and intellect stays
pure.
You
keep blaming the mind; why don't you remember of death? You are going to die
one day! Just by the thought of death, the disorders of the mind go away. The
minute you realize that life is momentary, the mind becomes happy.Life is
fleeting, we will live for a few days and bear whatever difficulties there are.
And whatever good work is there to be done, we will do that and go.
We have not come here to sit idle. We have come in this world to do something,
and we will do it! This feeling should arise.
If we keep ourselves busy in doing something or the other, then also the worries
of the mind reduce.
Okay,
then how do we strengthen the soul? The soul is already strong! And with this
confidence that God is mine, the strength of the soul increases. Whatever
will happen will be good for me – this kind of strong determination is necessary.
Things will be good for me always. If something is not working today, then
something better is in store; that is why it is not happening now – this surety
should be in our mind.
And
then this place (the ashram) is always there, you come whenever you feel like.
Whenever you are sad come here and engage in service.
Daas kabhi udaas nahi hote (one who serves is never unhappy). When
the strength increases within you, when the petrol is filled in your tank, then
you can drive your car in the world! When it begins to empty then come back
here!
The body is a vehicle after all, isn't it? The body has been called a ratha (chariot)
in all the shastras (scriptures). The mind is the sarathi (charioteer),
and the soul is the passenger.
(A member of the audience asked a question which was inaudible)
Sri Sri: See, acceptance means what? What do you want to accept? Something
that is beautiful, do you say, 'I accept, this is so beautiful?'
Acceptance has meaning when you cannot accept something. What is that you
cannot accept? Imperfections. You find something is imperfect and you don't
want to accept it.
Suppose
someone sitting next to you is acting in a way which you cannot accept. They
may be sneezing, or they may be doing some weird thing. Suppose someone sitting
next to you is burping and you are meditating. You say, 'My god, I want to
meditate. I have not come here to hear this guy's burping!'
Now you want perfection but the guy sitting next to you is producing noise from
all over his body, and he is creating disturbance for you. At that time, when
you create a space in your mind and say, 'Okay, that is what he is. Let's do
something, after meditation let me ask him, maybe he wants some triphala
churna, his stomach is not okay. Or something is wrong with his body, too
much vaata. Or he is having too many potatoes'.
So, if you can help him to get over his unpleasant state or imperfection, you
do it. Otherwise you create a space for imperfection. That brings you patience.
That is what is acceptance.
Acceptance simply means creating a little space for imperfection.
Create
a little space for imperfection in life, that gives you a lot of strength. That
increases your patience. It helps you not to lose your temper for nothing.
Every time anyone gets angry, it is only because they don't accept something.
Now,
I am not saying you should always accept everything.
When there is injustice done, I would say no, you should stand up for
injustice. But after accepting, after recognizing there is injustice, then you
fight for it.
Now,
about ego. If you find there is ego, let it be. Don't try to smash your ego, or
destroy your ego. Why do you want to do it? Let the ego be there. But keep it
in its place. Don't show it off to everybody. Then you get beaten. Do you see
what I'm saying?
Ego means creating a barrier between you and the other. The antidote to that is
being natural and being friendly. Just being natural, that is the antidote.
If you think your ego is bothering you, it is easy to get over it, do you know
how? Just act like a fool for one day, or as a crazy person for a day. One day
you behave like a crazy man. And let everybody clap and laugh. When they laugh
at you, and if you feel comfortable with that, next day you will feel at home.
Feeling at home and feeling natural is the only antidote for something that
bothers you about yourself.
Gurudev, in the world there are many paths to enlightenment.
Please tell me the definitive way to be free.
Sri Sri: That's what I am doing, I think! I thought I am just telling you
the definite way to be free! What is bothering you now?
Read this book 'An Intimate Note To A Sincere Seeker'. When you feel
bothered, when the negative emotions take over, then you feel stifled and
uncomfortable. How to handle the negative emotions? There are six of them,
excessive lust, greed, jealousy, anger, arrogance and attachment or delusion.
The mind is entangled, it is not giving you any joy but you cannot get away
from it because getting away from it becomes even more painful, this is called
delusion. We call it moha in sanskrit. It means an attachment,
like something stuck in the throat. You can neither spit it nor swallow it.
Such a situation is called moha.
There
are a number of ways to handle these negative emotions. If you can handle these
emotions, that's it. Then you are free! And pranayama, meditation is one of
those ways.
Gurudev, you have mentioned a few days back that wonder is the
basis of Yoga. Could you please tell us what is Yoga?
Sri Sri: Yoga is uniting; uniting the small mind with the big mind.
Bringing harmony between body, breath and mind.
Mind and body are both there, but if the body and mind are not aligned then it
is not Yoga. In Yoga you are bringing them in harmony, you are aligning them –
breath, body and mind. And you feel so good after that.
You may just lift your hand unconsciously, but when you consciously move your
hand, you see that there is a rhythm and there is dance to it. You see that
there is a sense of well being. Similarly, when the small mind is united with
the universal mind, that is called Yoga.
Gurudev, it is said that sattva (purity) is
needed for the attainment of karma (action). But is rajas not
required for karma? In my case if I do a lot of sadhana then
I don't feel like doing anything.
Sri Sri: There is another meaning of sattva – purity of
intellect. Intellect is also called Sattva. But, to do any actionrajoguna is
required.
The body cannot be stable without the three gunas (Rajoguna, Tamoguna and
Satoguna). There is a necessity for all three gunas in the
body. Sattva will remain prominent in these. The rajoguna and tamoguna will
stay suppressed, but they will be there for sure.
Once,
a nuclear scientist had come here. He made a design and got it here. There were
three spokes in his design, and he was saying – this world is held in balance
by these three forces, which is why it has continued to exist all this time.
Like the blades of a windmill, there are three spokes – they go up and down in
sync. So with these three being present it will keep spinning again and again and
again. In the same way, the world has always existed, and will always exist,
till infinity, due to these three gunas.
Don't
become lazy in the name of satoguna. Many times we think that due
to sadhana there is abundance ofsatoguna, but if tamoguna increases
then laziness comes. Be wary of this. So, along with satoguna,
there should also be steadfastness in action.
When
old age strikes, say you are 70 to 80 years old, then the quantities of rajoguna and tamoguna automatically
decrease. Then sleep also abandons you. Then you sit and read, you engage in
thinking, then also keep yourself busy.
Gurudev, every sip of knowledge given by you is very juicy. It is
easy to digest too. Could you please talk a little on Yoga Vasishta in a simple
manner?
Sri Sri: This is like asking to contain the ocean in a pot. Next to
impossible. Yoga Vasistha is like the sky, like the ocean, you know. Time and
again you should explore it yourself. It is self explanatory. It is more mystical
and very symbolic too.
Self is like the sky, so empty, and it is also like the ocean, so full.
What
the scientists say today is that in the universe, all the planets and stars are
spherical because of the pressure of the space all around them. The space
around the Sun is so thick, so full of energy, it keeps the Sun in the round
shape.
What you see as an empty space is filled with energy. And a million times more
energy than the Sun. Can you imagine this? The dark space around, i.e., this
empty sky is filled with much more energy than the stars. And this is exactly
what is said in the vedas: the darkness was enveloped by the
darkness in the beginning. It is all energy, what the scientists today call the
dark matter and dark energy.
There
is a sutra in Rigveda, the sutra of
creation. People never understood this: darkness covered by darkness.
They thought it might be some poet's imagination, or that the poet is trying to
say something but doesn't make any sense. This is what people interpreted for a
long time. But today, when scientists speak the same language, there is
resonance there. That is why science and spirituality are so close! The more
you go into physics and quantum mechanics, the more you go into the ancient
vedic knowledge, you see that at no point in time people were deprived of
knowledge. It was available, whether people understood it or not, is a
different thing.
Gurudev, could you please talk about the way prana
prathistha is done? I have heard they put the idol into grains and
water? Could you talk about the significance?
Sri Sri: Yes, the aagama literature has a lot of knowledge
about it, how the prana (energy) is induced into a statue or
an idol.
In a temple, there are statues all over, everywhere, but they are not really
worshipped. The one which is worshiped is in the center chamber, and they do a
lot of ceremonies. First they chant mantras, keep the idol in the water for x
number of days, then the grains. And the place where they build the temple,
first they will cultivate something on the land. It should sprout with some
seeds. So there are a number of steps to do this.
It's a whole ritual, and then from air, ether, fire, water, and sound the
energy is instilled in a statue. That's how it is done.
The
statue is not important. Underneath it is a diagram on a copper plate called mandalas or yantra.
That is the most important thing. It is like the circuit diagram. If you open
any transistor or TV, there's a circuit diagram. It doesn't mean anything to
you, the lines on copper or aluminum, are going this way and that way in some
diagrammatic manner.
What do you find inside a radio? The same thing, they put diagrams. These
diagrams are the most important thing, and not the shape of whichever idol
there is. The diagram is kept underneath that so that it retains the positive
energy. Whatever the energy, it is retained there. And so the people go and
pray that they get those vibrations.
It's an ancient system, but unfortunately a lot of it is lost. Only very few
people here and there have this knowledge.
Gurudev, what is the significance of using water in all our
rituals?
Sri Sri: Well, more than sixty percent of your body is the water element.
And water resonates with feelings and sounds. The mantras get absorbed in
water. There is a beautiful slideshow on it, maybe someone can show it, it may
be on our website as well, how water responds to the different emotions.
You keep a bottle of water and say, 'I hate you. I dislike you', then the
crystals of water become very different. And similarly, when a positive
vibration, chanting is done and focused on the water, it produces such a
harmonious, beautiful diagram. Someone from Japan has taken the pain to conduct
these experiments and it is available to you online. It is amazing!
Gurudev, when we are very happy in seva, sadhana and satsang,
then why do we desire enlightenment? Is there something beyond birth and death?
Sri Sri: One who doesn't want happiness, he attains moksha. One
who doesn't want moksha he attains love. When there is no
longing for happiness then there is moksha.
Why do people commit suicide? Because they are longing for happiness. When the
fear of misery and longing for happiness doesn't end, then one becomes
suicidal.
Gurudev, from the past 10 years I've been facing only 2 problems.
When will I be relieved of them? At least there can be some change in the
problems in life.
Sri Sri: If the problems are halved then there will be restlessness without
problems! Okay, do some prayer and things will happen. One who asks with a pure
heart, God will definitely give him what he wants. If you ask in this way, 'I
want this', and if it arises from the depth of your heart, then there is no
delay in the work getting done.
Dear Gurudev, whose concept, design and architecture is the
Visalakshi Mantap? It is like a vanilla strawberry cake and it looks yummy. It
gives me so much peace just by looking at it.
Sri Sri: Yes, we used to have a thatched roof for all our programs and
courses. When it rained people had to shift their seats and cushions and sit
where it was not wet. If it rained really hard then you had to wind up
everything. This is what it used to be like in the old campus. Then one
gentleman from Hong Kong came and said, 'Gurudev, we need to build a hall.
People from all over the world are coming and you don't want them to get wet,
or be uncomfortable'. Then I just drew a picture and said let's do it like
this. And then they built it. Then I said, for every pillar we build we must
give a free home for the poor people around the village.
In
those days we built one home for every pillar for the poor people in the
surrounding villages. It (Visalakshi Mantap) is about 12 years old now, and
still if you look at it, it feels so nice! The shape is soothing to the eyes,
so something is there!
One gentleman came from Dubai, he said, 'I am going to do the lighting for
this'.
I said, 'Fine, do it'.
Today
everyone does the modern type of building with aluminum frames, glass roofs,
glass panels and not this type of architecture. The masons who were doing this
sort of architecture, they never had work for so many years. Because seldom
people build buildings like this. So 7000 workers worked on this at different
times to complete this.
It took almost two and half to three years, and it was work for them. They were
very happy. They were out of work and nobody does this type of masonry. They
used to do this kind of work in ancient India and temples. Nobody is building
all those big temples or homes in this fashion.
Since then we have put almost all the buildings in the petal style like this,
so that these masons get some employment.
It is a skill, isn't it, making what they know about this type of architecture.
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