August 08, 2013
Bangalore, India
Questions & Answers
Gurudev, in the Bible Christ says, ‘I am the only way’. The Koran
says that it is the only way, and the Gita also says ‘Mam ekam sharanam vraja’?
Is this the reason for all religious conflicts? How can we change this?
Sri Sri: This knowledge was given to people present at that time, to help
focus their mind in the present. Now if you are listening to me, I will tell
you, ‘This is the truth, just be here, now!’ This is because the
mind has a tendency to glorify the past, or wait for the future, and discard
the present; the now.
Lord
Krishna said, ‘Mam ekam sharanam vraja’, meaning, 'Come to
me alone'.
He said this to his dearest disciple Arjuna to make his mind totally be
there to value the present.
Whenever this has been said (I am the only way), it has been said
from the higher consciousness, not to make one a fanatic. It has been said to
make one realize the truth, and the truth is only One, and
so they said, 'It is the only way', to emphasize that (One
truth). Otherwise the mind discards the present.
The
same thing happened with Jesus. People at that time were only thinking about
somebody in the future, or the past. That is why he said, 'Right now, right
here, I am the only way'. He said this from the ‘I am’ consciousness.
The Bible was also written 70 years after Jesus Christ left His body. Just
imagine how much His words could have been interpreted; or how these same few
words could have been translated at that time, is a big question mark.
When
Jesus said, ‘I am the son of God’, the church interpreted it
as Jesus is the only son of God.
What Jesus said was, ‘I am the son of the only Father.’
There is only one father for everybody, and He said, ‘I am the son of the only
one father’. Otherwise why would He say, ‘Let us pray to our father
in heaven?’
He says, 'Our father', which means everyone’s father. Then how can
he be the only son of God? Then what about everybody else? What about other
people who were born before him; are they not the children of God?
How can we all pray, ‘Our father in heaven?' Then we should only
pray, ‘Jesus’s father, you help me. You are not my father!’
This is a result of wrong interpretation. When Jesus said, ‘Our father in
heaven’, he meant that He is the father of everybody.
He said, 'The son of the only father', but this got twisted to, ‘The only son
of the father.’
Just
shifting one word from here to there can make a big difference. This is the
reason why, when interpreting the scriptures, one should always take into
consideration when, where and how it was said, to whom it was said, and for
what purpose.
Knowledge always is contextual, even though truth is timeless and
universal. But there is always some context to knowledge.
Jesus once said, ‘I have come to put father against son, and mother against
daughter. I have come to put fire and not make peace.’
If you take this out of context and say, 'Look at what Jesus said', then that
would be wrong. You have to see where He said it, what he said and how He said
it.
Jesus
came to bring a revolution. Lord Krishna came to do the same thing, bring about
a big revolution, and change the mindset of people.
Mohammad Paigambar also did the same. People were so lost in rituals that they
would never go deep within and pray quietly. So He said, ‘Come on, enough of
this. You are just going from one statue to another all the time. You are not
closing your eyes and going within and meditating. Enough, now close your eyes
and meditate!’
The rituals had become a business. People went to worship the idols out of
fear. So he said, ‘Just go within and pray.’
Nirgun nirakar parabrahma, pray to the formless, unmanifest
divinity.
This
is the essence of Vedanta. It says, go from the form to the formless. And how? Through
meditation.
There are three upayas (ways). First is Anva upaya,
through prayer and worship. Second is Shakta Upaya, through
meditation. And third is Shambava Upaya, through awareness, or
effortless remembrance of the Lord (smaran).
Even though Mohammad said no forms are needed, He knew that people require some
symbol, and so He put the Kaaba stone. Just like a lingam, a Kaaba Stone was
kept, so one can go round it, and do namaz. So a symbol is
essential to make the mind become one pointed.
In
Vedic times, there were no idols; the Arya Samaj engaged in havans (sacrificial
fire) with mantras (chanting). But not everyone could
understand this philosophy, but anyone can relate to a form, or to idols.
See, if it is any great man’s birthday, people go and put garlands on their
statues. On Gandhi Jayanti, people go to the Gandhi statues, put a ladder,
climb up and garland the statue. Without a picture it is impossible in the
present age to pay homage to someone. A picture is needed. That is how a symbol
became so essential in all religions. It is inevitable. Our Rishis knew this
and so they said, ‘Okay, you can begin with idols, symbols and forms. But only
for a short time, and then go and do visarjan (immerse the
idols in water).’
That is the tradition, for ten days you do Ganapati Pooja and then you immerse
the idol in the water.
That
is why temples were built everywhere. It was not necessary to go to temples
every day. Only when you feel the need for a symbol, you can go, sit there and
pray.
And temples are done with Mantra Shakti, not just with idols. Prana or
life force energy is induced in the place (temple), that is how
temples became powerhouses. People were very intelligent in the
ancient times, they understood human nature and knew the human consciousness.
What are the symptoms of enlightenment? Does every enlightened
person become a master? Are only Rishis, Sadhus and Swamis enlightened?
Sri Sri: You come up with the answer to this. What do you think is
enlightenment? The first step is, you feel that you are so lucky! And then you
stop feeling that you are so lucky; that is enlightenment.
Did
you hear the story I said a few days ago?
Once,
a student came to a Master and said, ‘I failed my exam.’
The Master said, ‘Oh, you are so lucky.’
Then, another gentleman came to the Master and said, ‘I lost my job.’
The Master replied, ‘Oh, you are so lucky’.
A third gentleman came and said, ‘My wife left me.’
The Master replied, ‘Oh, you are so lucky.’
So,
when anyone would come and say something, the Master would say, ‘Oh, you are so
lucky’; and somehow they would all get the message.
An
onlooker found this very puzzling. He asked the Master, ‘How can you say to the
boy that he is so lucky when he failed in his exam?’
The Master explained, ‘Yes, a person who has failed in an exam will study the
same subject again and again, and he will become so thorough in that subject
that he will become an expert.’
Once
a Swamiji had come here, and he said a very interesting thing. He said that in
1942 there was only one surgeon in Bangalore and this surgeon had failed his
MBBS seven times!
In those days, whenever people had appendicitis operation, the doctors would
cut a particular vein because of which some of the patients would die. They did
not know which vein they were cutting. So this gentleman (who failed seven
times) discovered that and became very well known and very respected. Later on
he also got an international honor. But he had failed seven times in MBBS! So
if someone has failed in an exam, they study more. That is why the Master said
that people who fail, not all though; some who fail, can become very lucky,
because they can study the same subject again and again, and become so
thorough.
To
the person whose wife ran away and left him, the Master said, ‘Now you know
what mistakes you did. Till now you were so engrossed in your own thing. Now
you know how to treat a woman, and what mistakes you should not do.’
To
the person who lost his job, the Master said, ‘Day and night you were engrossed
in your job. You didn’t have time to even reflect on yourself; ask yourself
questions like, ‘What is life? Who am I? What do I want? Now you have time for
that'.
Finally,
another gentleman came and said to the Master, ‘I am so lucky, I have
everything. I am so grateful.’
The Master gave him one slap, and the person started dancing. He became very
happy.
The
Master explained to the onlooker that when you say, ‘I am grateful’, you are
surrounding the ‘I’. The ‘I’ is important, ‘I’ am so lucky, ‘I’ am grateful. When
this ‘I’ dissolves, you become like a child, and become one with everybody.
Existing and not living, is ignorance. Living as though you don’t exist, is
enlightenment. Simple and natural!
Gurudev, spirituality is freedom for me, but many times I feel
service at The Art of Living and other things are very conceptualized.
Somewhere I cannot connect with such conceptualized trainings. How do I deal
with this?
Sri Sri: It is the mind that creates a conflict. There is no demand on you
to do all the seva. Do whatever you can.
Seva is a must in everybody’s life because it brings fulfillment and happiness.
And you do as much as you can, without tiring yourself down too much.
I
think you have too much free time to think about concepts and all that. What is
a concept? Teaching has a system, and the system makes it very
effective.
All knowledge could just be taught anywhere and anyhow (referring to an
ineffective manner); like the Nati Vaidyas(local medics) in
villages. When people get sick in villages, they go to these Nati
Vaidyas who prescribe some adhoc herbs, and tell them to grind it and
drink it, and everything will be alright!
There is a saying in Sanskrit, ‘Yasya kasya tarormoolam, Yena
kenaapi choonitam, Yasmai kasmai pradaatavyam yadyaa tadva bhavishhyati.’
It means, 'Just pluck any trees, any root, or anything, grind it, make it into
a paste, and give it to anybody, and then anything can happen!’
This is an unmethodical way of practicing medicine, and there are several
people who are doing this in India. It is a very common thing.
In India everybody is a doctor, and everybody gives some or the other
grandmother’s remedies for anything. There is some value to the grandmother’s
remedies as well, I am not saying no, but a doctor who is systematically
trained brings greater value since he knows the subject thoroughly. A
herboligist knows the herbs thoroughly; it is not just anybody doing anything,
and anything can happen. In the same way, teaching is also a methodology.
Though
everyone may know the points, and have the knowledge, anybody teaching it, in
any way will not yield the desired results. That is why a system is in place.
Even in the ancient days, students would go and study thoroughly at Gurukuls,
before they became acharyas(teachers).
Gurudev, after introspecting on the questions, ‘Who am I? Where am
I?’ I realize that I am nowhere, and everywhere, as empty space. How to stay in
this pure consciousness without drifting to body consciousness?
Sri Sri: Trying to stay out of body consciousness is an effort. Don’t make
such efforts. As you become well established in knowledge, it will
automatically happen. As the vasanas (impressions) become less
and wane away, it becomes much clearer to you. And you cannot force yourself to
get rid of vasanas.
Sadhana, satsang, good
company are necessary. If you sit in the company of people who are greedy and
have a negative mindset, then your mind becomes totally engrossed in such
things. So, uplift the spirit with wisdom, and effortlessly you will see that
it happens.
Gurudev, I got divorced four years ago and got remarried less than
a year ago. I see that the same situations are repeating in my life. Is this
karma or am I not able to apply the knowledge?
Sri Sri: You will know this better.
See what mistakes you are making. Do you have acceptance? Do you serve a
person? Why would someone not like to be with you if you are a fountain of joy
and enthusiasm?
Why would someone not like to be with you if you are full of love and service,
if you are hollow and empty, if you are in wisdom and knowledge, everyone will
want to spend time with you. So keep yourself soaked in knowledge, day and night.
Sleep
with knowledge, and when you wake up, listen to knowledge again. Read Yoga
Vasistha, Ashtavakra Gita and Bhakti Sutras.
We have been given such precious knowledge. Just one sutra at a time is enough.
For example, 'Yogash chitta vritti nirodhah, Tada drashtuh svarupe
avashthanam', establishing in the seer and not in the scenery is yoga.
Dwelling on such knowledge, one can move back to the seer, recollecting that
all this is scenery.
'The body is the scenery, let me find the seer', this takes you back in, to the
source immediately. It makes you realize that the body is all empty. There is
emptiness outside, and everything is empty.
Look
at a cup; there is space inside and outside. The body is a cup, you are a supatra
(a good cup), a mind which is hollow and empty.
Kupatra is when the mind is filled with all rubbish things. You are
a supatra, a good cup, which is free, clean inside and outside.
When you realize this, immediately you are able to relax; every cell in your
body starts relaxing. All the garbage leaves, all negative thoughts disappear.
You are a clean vessel, hollow and empty. How joyful this state of mind is.
Then you can work 18-20 hours a day, without feeling tired and bogged down; the
mind is fresh. Every day, you should rest well for about six hours.
Many students want to do the Yes+ course, but parents don’t allow
us. How can we convince our parents about being spiritual at this age?
Sri Sri: Just be nice to them, and tell them you have meditated. On days
that you are nasty with them, tell them that you have not done any meditation,
which is why you lost your temper. They will ask you to go and meditate.
Gurudev, you say, in order to attain Krishna one has to become
Radha, and to attain Rama one has to become Hanuman. I just want you, what do I
need to become?
Sri Sri: Nothing. Don’t make the effort to become anything, just become
empty. Whatever you have become, give it up and become empty. You already have
me.
Gurudev, what is important in life, money, love, self-respect, or relationships?
Sri Sri: Me! Whatever you find after leaving all of this, is the only thing
worth attaining.
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